{"id":2976,"date":"2011-08-16T09:09:03","date_gmt":"2011-08-16T16:09:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.talesfromthe.net\/jon\/?p=2976"},"modified":"2024-01-20T05:04:58","modified_gmt":"2024-01-20T05:04:58","slug":"a-tale-of-two-searches-google-and-diversity-part-4","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/2024.thenexus.today\/index.php\/2011\/08\/16\/a-tale-of-two-searches-google-and-diversity-part-4\/","title":{"rendered":"A tale of two searches: Google+ and Diversity, part 4"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><em><span style=\"color: #ff00ff;\">cross-posted <a href=\"https:\/\/plus.google.com\/115324919838980591640\/posts\/Se5h57MGxto\">on Google+<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/kallistixf.dreamwidth.org\/10291.html\">Dreamwidth<\/a><br \/>\nCheck out the previous posts in the series<\/span>: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.talesfromthe.net\/jon\/?p=2906\">A Work in Progress<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.talesfromthe.net\/jon\/?p=2918\">Why it matters<\/a>, <span style=\"color: #ff00ff;\">and<\/span> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.talesfromthe.net\/jon\/?p=2948\">#nymwars!<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/plus.google.com\/115324919838980591640\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/farm7.static.flickr.com\/6133\/6008117701_a5d54f459b.jpg\" alt=\"Google+ in rainbow colors\" width=\"331\" height=\"115\" align=\"right\" \/><\/a>Here&#8217;s a good example of how Google+ is already influencing search results.  I&#8217;ve got screenshots below for two searches on  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/search?q=nymwars\">nymwars<\/a>, one when I&#8217;m logged into G+ and the other when I&#8217;m not logged in.<\/p>\n<p>A couple things to notice here:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>s.e. smith&#8217;s excellent <a href=\"http:\/\/tigerbeatdown.com\/2011\/08\/03\/the-google-nymwars-where-identity-and-capitalism-collide\/\">Where Identity and Capitalism Collide<\/a> on <em>Tiger Beatdown<\/em> is on the list when I&#8217;m logged in, presumably because I&#8217;ve circled s.e. on G+ and several other people I followed also shared or reshared the post.   Go s.e.!   It&#8217;s a very good example of the potential advantages bloggers (and businesses, once they&#8217;re allowed on) can get from being part of G+<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/plus.google.com\/103325808503679220346\/posts\/LpCFPG1AezL\">Skud&#8217;s nymwars strategy discussion<\/a> only shows up indirectly &#8212; the version reshared by Crystal Rehula.  This is kind of weird, because Skud&#8217;s post has 123 shares, and I&#8217;m following her as well as Crystal.   So it&#8217;s a great example of how Google+&#8217;s naming policy penalizes people like Skud whose names they don&#8217;t like.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a title=\"Robert Scoble on G+\" href=\"https:\/\/plus.google.com\/111091089527727420853\/posts\/gG8mCKRfun6\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"http:\/\/farm7.static.flickr.com\/6077\/6045579937_1f74c70027.jpg\" alt=\"Robert Scoble: SKUD isn't welcome here unless she uses a common name.\" width=\"500\" height=\"71\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Sure you can read Skud elsewhere if you can find her.  But what if she doesn&#8217;t show up in search?<\/p>\n<p>And it&#8217;s not just Skud.  After looking at <em>Geek Feminism&#8217;s <\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/geekfeminism.wikia.com\/wiki\/Who_is_harmed_by_a_%22Real_Names%22_policy%3F\">Who is harmed by a real names policy?<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/my.nameis.me\/\">My Name is Me<\/a>,  whenever somebody says something like &#8220;no reason G+ needs to be for everyone&#8221;  what I hear is &#8220;no reason G+ needs to be for women, LGBTQs, people with disabilities, activists, whistleblowers, teachers, etc. etc.&#8221;  Because, y&#8217;know, why would anybody want <em>those people <\/em>in our search results?<\/p>\n<p>It seems so obvious to me.  I wonder why Robert, Joseph, Bradley, and Vic can&#8217;t see it?<\/p>\n<p>jon<\/p>\n<p><i>Update<\/i>, August 18: in <a href=\"https:\/\/plus.google.com\/115324919838980591640\/posts\/Se5h57MGxto\">the excellent G+ discussion<\/a>, Fedor Pikus discussed the various &#8220;signals&#8221; that feed into Google search, and highlighted that right now G+ is only a very small component.  And sure enough, today s.e. smith&#8217;s post is high on the list whether or not I&#8217;m logged in.  But Skud&#8217;s still rendered invisible.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>Not logged in::<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a title=\"Photo Sharing\" href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/31110324@N03\/6049114885\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"http:\/\/farm7.static.flickr.com\/6187\/6049114885_6fca1c2660.jpg\" alt=\"Google search results for nymwars when not logged in, Liminal States at #5\" width=\"492\" height=\"452\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Logged in:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a title=\"Photo Sharing\" href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/31110324@N03\/6049691316\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"http:\/\/farm7.static.flickr.com\/6085\/6049691316_27405f9a73.jpg\" alt=\"Google results for nymwars when logged in, Liminal States at #7\" width=\"448\" height=\"500\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>cross-posted on Google+ and Dreamwidth Check out the previous posts in the series: A Work in Progress, Why it matters, and #nymwars! Here&#8217;s a good example of how Google+ is already influencing search results. I&#8217;ve got screenshots below for two searches on nymwars, one when I&#8217;m logged into G+ and the other when I&#8217;m not [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[9,16],"tags":[113,243],"class_list":["post-2976","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-professional","category-tales-from-the-net","tag-diversity","tag-nymwars"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/2024.thenexus.today\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2976","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/2024.thenexus.today\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/2024.thenexus.today\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/2024.thenexus.today\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/2024.thenexus.today\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2976"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/2024.thenexus.today\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2976\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4324,"href":"https:\/\/2024.thenexus.today\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2976\/revisions\/4324"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/2024.thenexus.today\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2976"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/2024.thenexus.today\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2976"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/2024.thenexus.today\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2976"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}