{"id":238,"date":"2008-10-12T09:50:44","date_gmt":"2008-10-12T16:50:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.talesfromthe.net\/jon\/?p=238"},"modified":"2008-10-12T09:50:44","modified_gmt":"2008-10-12T16:50:44","slug":"oxdown-gazette-some-initial-reactions","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/2024.thenexus.today\/index.php\/2008\/10\/12\/oxdown-gazette-some-initial-reactions\/","title":{"rendered":"Oxdown Gazette: some initial reactions"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/static1.firedoglake.com\/template\/oxdown\/images\/mainHeader.jpg\" alt=\"oxdown gazette logo\" width=\"490\" height=\"58\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">cross-posted <a href=\"http:\/\/oxdown.firedoglake.com\/diary\/673\">on <em>Oxdown Gazette<\/em><\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The conversation in the blogosphere is &#8212; I sincerely hope &#8212; about to change.<\/p>\n<p>&#8212; Jane Hamsher, <a href=\"http:\/\/firedoglake.com\/2008\/07\/17\/and-the-big-announcement-is\/\">And the Big Announcement Is\u00e2\u20ac\u00a6<\/a>, Firedoglake, July 2008<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I&#8217;ve spent a bunch of time at Firedoglake&#8217;s <em>Oxdown Gazette<\/em> this last week, regularly checking the home page and recommended stories, commenting here and there, as well as making eight posts of my own starting with <a href=\"http:\/\/oxdown.firedoglake.com\/diary\/author\/5949\">Hiiii (waves)<\/a> &#8212; enough to form some definite impressions. \u00c2\u00a0 So I thought it would be interesting to share them and see what others have to say.<\/p>\n<p>Different people are on Oxdown for different reasons; so let me start with a bit about my perspective. \u00c2\u00a0 I&#8217;m currently engaging in a lot of online activism while working on <a href=\"http:\/\/www.talesfromthe.net\/blog\/?page_id=2\">a book about social networks<\/a> (professional bio <a href=\"http:\/\/www.talesfromthe.net\/jon\/?page_id=191\">here<\/a>).\u00c2\u00a0 I started my blog <a href=\"http:\/\/www.talesfromthe.net\/jon\">Liminal States<\/a> last year with a goal of mashing up discussions about computer security and software engineering, social networks, politics, critical theory, psytrance, and personal stuff.\u00c2\u00a0 As an activist, though, it&#8217;s important to have a base in the progressive blogosphere as well; with Get FISA Right, for example, OpenLeft played a critical role.\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0 My style is very collaborative, and a community-oriented site like Oxdown has a lot of appeal; and so for the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.votersuppression.org\">Voter Suppression Wiki<\/a> I decided to experiment with cross-posting there as well as <em>Pam&#8217;s House Blend.<\/em><br \/>\n<!--more--><br \/>\nMy first reactions in terms of the user experience reading and posting are almost completely positive.\u00c2\u00a0 I like the layout, and cross-posting from my own blog (also WordPress-based) is easy.\u00c2\u00a0 The summaries make the front page or individuals&#8217; diaries very readable.\u00c2\u00a0 Also, I find the way FDL displays comments very effective for longer threads involving multile conversations &#8212; the &#8220;reply-chaining&#8221; is done quite nicely &#8212; and that&#8217;s useful here as well.\u00c2\u00a0 Of course I have a few quibbles (why isn&#8217;t the <strong>&lt; center &gt;<\/strong> HTML attribute allowed?) but generally they&#8217;re pretty minor.<\/p>\n<p>Oxdown doesn&#8217;t disclose the algorithm they use for recommendations,* but it seems to do a pretty good job of getting a wide array of voices while keeping quality high.\u00c2\u00a0 Of the ten articles, there are usually at least one or two by Teddy Partridge or other high profile FDL-ers, but the majority are from names I don&#8217;t recognize.\u00c2\u00a0 The front-page stories, by contrast, are largely by Ari, along with a handful from community members &#8212; including some realllly big names, such as Zack Exley&#8217;s cross-post of <a href=\"http:\/\/oxdown.firedoglake.com\/diary\/546\">The New Organizers<\/a>.**\u00c2\u00a0 My guess is that this ratio will change over time as the flow of stories from the community increases; right now, Ari&#8217;s putting waaaaay more time into than anybody else.<\/p>\n<p>FDL&#8217;s home page very prominently features the recommended diaries, which could potentially lead to a lot of traffic &#8212; one of Oxdown&#8217;s biggest potential advantages.\u00c2\u00a0 Lemme tell you, when DaveJ&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/oxdown.firedoglake.com\/diary\/486\">Announcing the Election Protection Wiki<\/a> and my <a href=\"http:\/\/oxdown.firedoglake.com\/diary\/487\">TWO wikis, saving democracy?<\/a> were both up there on Monday, we were <em>stoked<\/em>.\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0 FDL gets over 100,000 visitors a day, so this is potentially a big deal &#8212; even the vast majority who don&#8217;t click on either link now know that there&#8217;s an Election Protection Wiki and another wiki as well that also has something to do with democracy.***\u00c2\u00a0 Talk about getting our message out &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>I still don&#8217;t have a feel for what kinds of stories are most likely to be recommended.\u00c2\u00a0 FDL as a whole is often very action-oriented, and the vibrant discussion on Zack&#8217;s post reflected that; as I write this, TobyWollin&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/oxdown.firedoglake.com\/diary\/662\">Urban Gardening<\/a> is on the recommended list.\u00c2\u00a0 On the other hand, most of the recommended diaries seem to be news summaries and analyses: of Republican politicians and tactics, the bailout, and so on.\u00c2\u00a0 My own action-oriented posts haven&#8217;t in general gotten a lot of traction with recommenders; two of them did make it to the recommended list, but in both cases I had sent links to several friends and asked them to rec, so this doesn&#8217;t necessarily reflect the broader community&#8217;s opinion.\u00c2\u00a0 Of course, it&#8217;s hard to know how much to read into this; it might just reflect me being an unknown quantity on FDL, and not yet having had a chance to participate all that much on others&#8217; threads.\u00c2\u00a0 We shall see.<\/p>\n<p>Unsurprisingly, mixed in with these overall positive impressions, there are also a few areas for improvement.\u00c2\u00a0 An obvious one is the lack of a WYSIWYG editor.\u00c2\u00a0 Another is the rather mystifying decision to close comments on a diaries after a couple of days.\u00c2\u00a0 Some conversations flow more slowly; and it often takes a while for links to percolate through the blogosphere.\u00c2\u00a0 By the time a lot of people saw to my request for input on Meet the Bloggers on FDL, it was too late for them to comment here.\u00c2\u00a0 Maybe there&#8217;s something I&#8217;m missing, but I&#8217;m not sure what purpose is served by shutting off conversation.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright\" style=\"float: right; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 5px;\" src=\"http:\/\/farm1.static.flickr.com\/225\/503165914_a680a56c77.jpg\" alt=\"facebook logo\" width=\"150\" height=\"57\" \/>There&#8217;s also a problem with how diaries look when you post them on Facebook.\u00c2\u00a0 In WordPress&#8217; default configurations, Facebook typically does a surprisingly good job of extracting useful text to post &#8212; the first paragraph or a quote. \u00c2\u00a0 For Oxdown diaries, posted items just say &#8220;Just another Firedoglake weblog&#8221;.\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0 (Post it yourself to find out!)\u00c2\u00a0 As Kevin Bondelli&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/futuremajority.com\/node\/3181\">Generational Differences in Online Political Engagement<\/a> on <em>Future Majority <\/em>discusses, Facebook is increasingly important not only a notification mechanism but a discussion mechanism.\u00c2\u00a0 FDL already shows more awareness of Facebook than any other big progressive blog I know, with one-click access to people&#8217;s Facebook profiles; it would be great for Oxdown to build on this.<\/p>\n<p>Finally, there&#8217;s the lack of trackbacks.\u00c2\u00a0 Trackbacks are a way of automatically notifying any pages that you&#8217;ve linked to in the story that hey, somebody&#8217;s talking about you.\u00c2\u00a0 Take Kevin Bondelli, for example; I have no idea whether he reads Oxdown, so unless I take the time to track down contact information for him and send him mail that gets past spam filters, he might never know that I just referenced his article.\u00c2\u00a0 Trackbacks automate that.\u00c2\u00a0 And for those like me who approach blogs as narrative, trackbacks are also valuable for weaving together different threads of long-running, interlocking stories &#8212; the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.talesfromthe.net\/jon\/?p=209#comment-4910\">comment stream here<\/a> is a good example.\u00c2\u00a0 So it would be really valuable to provide this functionality.<\/p>\n<p>Hopefully these last three paragraphs focusing on areas for improvement haven&#8217;t given the wrong impression &#8212; stuff like this is only to be expected for something as new as Oxdown.\u00c2\u00a0 What&#8217;s encouraging is that all of them seem likely to be easy to address if others also see them as important.\u00c2\u00a0 Oxdown has a real advantage in building on top of the solid WordPress platform, rather than rolling their own the way Soapblox had to a few years ago, and so they&#8217;re likely to be able to make changes relatively easily.<\/p>\n<p>So on the whole, at least from the perspective of my first week, things look very good for Oxdown Gazette: I had a good first experience, it&#8217;s a solid platform, and (probably most importantly) the big carrot of being able to get a link from FDL&#8217;s home page is indeed accessible to the community.\u00c2\u00a0 Of course, it&#8217;s early days yet, but it seems to me that the initial results are very promising.<\/p>\n<p>What do others think?<\/p>\n<p>jon<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><em>Facebook graphic <a href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/ajc1\/503165914\/\">from AJC1&#8217;s flickr site<\/a>,<br \/> licensed <a href=\"http:\/\/scienceoftheinvisible.blogspot.com\/2008\/07\/using-creative-commons-images-from.html\">under Creative Commons<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<p>* their FAQ makes the &#8220;security-through-obscurity&#8221; 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