{"id":2345,"date":"2011-01-24T12:35:00","date_gmt":"2011-01-24T19:35:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.talesfromthe.net\/jon\/?p=2345"},"modified":"2011-01-24T12:35:00","modified_gmt":"2011-01-24T19:35:00","slug":"how-can-we-use-privchat-to-press-for-privacy-rights-a-few-thoughts","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/2024.thenexus.today\/index.php\/2011\/01\/24\/how-can-we-use-privchat-to-press-for-privacy-rights-a-few-thoughts\/","title":{"rendered":"How can we use #PrivChat to press for #privacy rights?  (REVISED)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.cdt.org\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" style=\"border: 0pt none;\" src=\"http:\/\/farm6.static.flickr.com\/5041\/5371682457_32e09b123c.jpg\" alt=\"How can we utilize organizational capacity provided by forums like #PrivChat to press gov't\/companies for #privacy rights?\" width=\"500\" height=\"60\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #ff00ff;\"><strong>Update<\/strong>, August 2: discussion of Google+ and HR1981 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.talesfromthe.net\/jon\/?p=2345&amp;cpage=1#comment-180081\">in a new comment<\/a><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #ff00ff;\">Originally written January 19.\u00c2\u00a0 Updated January 24, after discussions with Weaver2World and MissHealth.<br \/>\nI modified one of the recommendations and added a new one. See the pink highlights in the text.<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Mark Stanley of the Center for Democracy and Technology wrapped up Tuesday&#8217;s #privchat with a heck of a good question.\u00c2\u00a0 And as is usually the case in the weekly Twitter privacy chat, there were good answers from a variety of perspectives.  For example:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a title=\"Photo Sharing\" href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/31110324@N03\/5371695101\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: 0pt none;\" src=\"http:\/\/farm6.static.flickr.com\/5002\/5371695101_6e3ba30405.jpg\" alt=\"I see fora like #privchat as launchpads for further advocacy and to facilitate networking on these issues\" width=\"500\" height=\"53\" \/><\/a><a title=\"Photo Sharing\" href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/31110324@N03\/5371689051\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: 0pt none;\" src=\"http:\/\/farm6.static.flickr.com\/5047\/5371689051_56e802dc34.jpg\" alt=\"Public awarness + vocalization = attention from gov't\/cos = action to diminish impact on bottom line (?)\" width=\"500\" height=\"67\" \/><\/a><a title=\"Photo Sharing\" href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/31110324@N03\/5372296746\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: 0pt none;\" src=\"http:\/\/farm6.static.flickr.com\/5045\/5372296746_c0f8e1e30e.jpg\" alt=\"Use these fora to publicly badger the privacy villains and bless the privacy heroes like #ThankTwitter.\" width=\"500\" height=\"60\" \/><\/a><a title=\"Photo Sharing\" href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/31110324@N03\/5371693425\/\"><\/a><a title=\"Photo Sharing\" href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/31110324@N03\/5372305180\/\"><\/a><a title=\"Photo Sharing\" href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/31110324@N03\/5372314066\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: 0pt none;\" src=\"http:\/\/farm6.static.flickr.com\/5283\/5372314066_cb394f2938.jpg\" alt=\"i think it important to recognize this is a place for divergent views, including large orgs, to participate and discuss\" width=\"500\" height=\"64\" \/><\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: 0pt none;\" src=\"http:\/\/farm6.static.flickr.com\/5123\/5372305180_0b9fb3e702.jpg\" alt=\"Fan of positive reinforcement when companies \/ orgs do something intelligent \/ right. Forums can aggregate \/ focus attn\" width=\"500\" height=\"60\" \/><\/p>\n<p>All great ideas &#8230; so I put my process hat on and suggested that we encourage people to think and blog about it, and continue the discussion next week.\u00c2\u00a0 Here&#8217;s my contribution (with early assistance from @hellrazr of @PrivacyActivism and additional suggestions from @Weaver2World).<\/p>\n<p><!--more-->Let&#8217;s start by looking at #privchat&#8217;s strengths.\u00c2\u00a0 As Shaun (aka @PrivacyCamp) pointed out, there&#8217;s a range of views: libertarians who think the market will take care of everything, folks like me advocating for stronger government action, technologists and business people who see challenges and opportunities.\u00c2\u00a0 It&#8217;s a unique chance for a range of high-quality viewpoints &#8212; even the people I vehemently disagree with usually state their position well.\u00c2\u00a0 A lot of journalists participate, and so do some of the most interesting privacy-focused startups.\u00c2\u00a0 As a group we seem to get along pretty well, with a lot of mutual respect.\u00c2\u00a0 And (an advantage it&#8217;s easy to overlook) we get together regularly; just like a big in-person meeting at work, it&#8217;s often a great chance to catch up with somebody and say &#8220;oh btw &#8230;&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Balanced against those strengths, there are weaknesses as well.\u00c2\u00a0 Most obviously, we only interact once a week. And we&#8217;re very US-focused.<\/p>\n<p>So with that as a background, here are some ideas:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Have one of the segments in each meeting devoted to an activism campaign.\u00c2\u00a0 We&#8217;ve already done that at least once: in early January, I asked for feedback on the social network activism campaign for EPIC&#8217;s The Stripping of Freedom campaign, and it was very helpful.*\u00c2\u00a0 From an activist&#8217;s perspective, as well as the feedback it&#8217;s a great opportunity to build awareness.\u00c2\u00a0 From the community&#8217;s perspective, it deepens connections by working together on shared goals.\u00c2\u00a0 Based on last week&#8217;s experience, it might be best for it to be the first section &#8212; that way the people who are especially interested in the campaign can continue to discuss for the rest of the hour &#8212; but it&#8217;s worth experimenting to see what works best.<\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #ff00ff;\">*NEW*<\/span> Get the basic infrastructure in place: a web site where people can find out about #privchat and and get transcripts (and the #privchat daily), a Twitter list, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/cfpconf.wetpaint.com\/page\/Getting+started+on+Twitter\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">getting started<\/a>&#8221; instructions, etc.\u00c2\u00a0 Try to post most topics in advance along with links so people who don&#8217;t have background can get up to speed if they have time.<\/li>\n<li>Invite people from the companies we&#8217;re talking about to join us.\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0 It&#8217;s easy enough for them to attend: a segment is only about 10-15 minutes long, and they don&#8217;t even have to leave their desk.\u00c2\u00a0 For example, we&#8217;ll probably have another discussion about Facebook app privacy one of these days, and the Facebook group who&#8217;s working on it might well be getting a range of viewpoints &#8212; to listen, or brainstorm, or get feedback potential solutions or messages before rolling them out.<\/li>\n<li>Building on the positive theme Jim and Warren mentioned, look for opportunities to help the startups who are regulars at Privchat.\u00c2\u00a0 Ghostery, Secret123, Reputation Defender, Abine, Preference Central et. al. probably have more ideas of what would be useful than I do, but one thing we could do is encourage them to post any &#8216;news&#8217; announcements on Monday (before #privchat) and RT the ones that would be of interest to our followers.\u00c2\u00a0 That way the #privchat daily would have a good overview about what they&#8217;re up to.\u00c2\u00a0 Win\/Win!<\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #ff00ff;\">*MODIFIED* <\/span>Take on group projects that broadens discussions beyond the one hour of #privchat itself.\u00c2\u00a0 The #ThankTwitter campaign that emerged from last week&#8217;s meeting is an early example.\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0 A couple possible next steps: mapping the connections of the privacy community (useful for companies and legislators as well as advocates), and analyzing a complex issue like DNT and presenting a range of high-quality perspectives.\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0 With Congressional hearings and legislation coming up on a variety of issues, there are plenty of topics where the intellectual diversity and the quality of the group could really have an impact on the debate.\u00c2\u00a0 And this would also help our journalist members by giving them something to write about!<\/li>\n<li>Help @clarinette02 get her tweets visible on the hashtag.\u00c2\u00a0 If we all Tweet to Twitter at the end of the next chat, maybe her six-month-old support ticket will finally get looked at.\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0 If that doesn&#8217;t work, I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s something else we can try.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>These are just starting points, and I&#8217;m sure there are plenty of ways to improve them.\u00c2\u00a0 Feedback welcome, and I&#8217;d love to hear what ideas others come up with: in the comments here, other blog posts, and of course on Twitter.<\/p>\n<p>jon, aka @jdp23<\/p>\n<p>* credit where credit&#8217;s due: #journchat was the first time I did this, thanks to @PRSarahEvans; and it&#8217;s worked out well there too<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Update, August 2: discussion of Google+ and HR1981 in a new comment Originally written January 19.\u00c2\u00a0 Updated January 24, after discussions with Weaver2World and MissHealth. 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